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【イエティ】雪男【ヒバゴン】

1 :名無虫さん:04/11/22 00:02:06 ID:AZGajivI
UMAじゃ一番実在する可能性が高いんじゃ?語れ!

2 :名無虫さん:04/11/22 00:46:21 ID:KxDrw+K2
おまんこ女学院('A`)

3 :岩屋山亜式 ◆CAT9FZUkUk :04/11/22 18:24:51 ID:BQNr5D7c
チンコイのは、つい最近まで生き残っていたようです。
多分、小人型UMAとして有名な「オラン=ペンデグ」にあたるものかも。
伝承では15世紀まで生き残っていたらしい。
現地島民による波状攻撃で数が減ったところを、洞窟に追い込んで火をかけて絶滅させたらしい。

【原人】1万8千年前に別種の人類「ホモ・フローレシエンシス」…ジャワ原人子孫の化石発見
http://news16.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/scienceplus/1098927987/l50

チンコイのが残っていたならデッカイのもまだ居るかも…
ヒト科の進化の過程はかなり複雑なようですので…

4 :名無虫さん:04/11/22 19:27:33 ID:Y2GkJqd7
京都大学霊長類研究所の現地調査では、現地の植生から養える霊長類の重量は限定的。
つまり、大型類人猿の生息は無理っぽいという結論だった。
ヒマラヤの植生は回復が遅いからなぁ。

5 :岩屋山亜式 ◆CAT9FZUkUk :04/11/22 20:16:49 ID:BQNr5D7c
>>4
雑食化が進んだ段階のヒト科ならどうでしょうか?
ヒマラヤで安定した直立二足歩行と云うことであれば、
アウトオブアフリカのホモ=エルガステル以降でしょうし…

6 :名無虫さん:04/11/22 21:17:58 ID:AZGajivI
ゴリラだってここ百何年前までは、なんか人間の様な猿の様なみたいなのが山にいるぞっ、て感じでよく分かんない存在だったんでしょ?

7 :名無虫さん:04/11/22 21:45:19 ID:???
オカ板行け

8 :名無虫さん:04/11/22 22:47:57 ID:???
そうだね・・・
【UMA】未確認動物について語ろう 十匹目【UMA】
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/occult/1100774280/

9 :名無虫さん:04/11/24 20:56:51 ID:+pJHE30l
過去のこの板のスレ「イエティの謎」を紹介しておきます。
http://ebi.2ch.net/wild/kako/993/993657067.html

このスレは上のログにあるより先まで続いていましたが、最後の方は
Googleのキャッシュにありました。
http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=cache:HnB94_MUb00J:science2.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/wild/993657067/801-900+%E3%82%A4%E3%82%A8%E3%83%86%E3%82%A3%E3%81%AE%E8%AC%8E&hl=ja

このスレで出た情報を大きく超えるのはまだ出てないんじゃないかな。
最近のフローレス島の記事は興味深いもので、「イエティの謎」スレで
紹介されたニューギニアやオーストラリアの小形ヒューマノイド(これは
動物学者が観察した)との関連もあるかもしれないと思わせますが。

10 :名無虫さん:04/11/26 18:06:14 ID:???
前スレでときどき書き込んでいた者です。
話のたねに聴いてみてください。
http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/sounds.php

11 :名無虫さん:04/11/28 14:55:21 ID:aVMN+j9x
>>6
ヒマラヤ周辺の環境を理解しろw

12 :名無虫さん:04/11/28 15:22:26 ID:3QVzUhxx
というかヒバゴンは広島だろ。
ありえねーw

13 :名無虫さん:04/11/29 23:50:46 ID:52f9OdqJ
>>10
面白いな。もっとないの?

14 :10:04/12/02 21:30:58 ID:???
>>13
探せばいろいろあると思います。

http://home.earthlink.net/~arkansasapes/id18.html
http://gcbro.com/multim.html
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/sasquatchsearch/page7.html

15 :名無虫さん:04/12/03 22:14:39 ID:y619J/+1
とりあえず上げ。

16 :名無虫さん:04/12/03 22:58:34 ID:97w2+WEd
ゴリラがヒマラヤにいたら、イエティにはなるわな。


17 :名無虫さん:04/12/04 19:23:36 ID:iBL1rETA
ゴリラがヒマラヤにいても、ゴリラ。イエティがアフリカにいてもイエティ。

18 :名無虫さん:04/12/04 20:51:14 ID:YMm47Dgj
そんなにまじめに答えなくても・・・

19 :10:04/12/04 22:03:34 ID:???
山火事で火傷を負ったビッグフットが捕獲されたという情報です。
真偽のほどはともかくとして。

http://www.bahnhof.se/~wizard/GUSTeng03/okandadjur_Bigfoot_injured.html

20 :名無虫さん:04/12/05 04:54:59 ID:j7aePinE
アイヌ民族に滅ぼされたとされるコロボックス
彼らは伝承ではかなり小さな小人となっているが多分、大和民族に追いやられたアイヌ民族が北海道に渡った時にすでに住み着いていた
アイヌ民族より小柄な体格の北海道のアイヌ以前の先住民族だったのだろうが。
もし伝承の通りに小さな小人なら、これはこれで面白いかもね

21 :名無虫さん:04/12/05 04:58:07 ID:j7aePinE
他にも世界各地に人に似た存在の伝説がある。
中国には山都と呼ばれる山に棲む毛だらけの二足歩行をする妖怪の伝説があるし。
日本にだって山にすむ人たちの伝説がある。
これはサンカのような山の民を蔑視した結果、生まれた伝説とみなすことが出来るが。
もしかして人類以前のネアンデールタール人のような存在が生き延びていのではと想像が出来るな

22 :名無虫さん:04/12/05 07:30:52 ID:uE1tjZIz
ネアンデルタール人は結構、最近まで生きていて、現行の人類と絶滅の頃は
バッティングしています。というか、人類に滅ぼされたという説まであるようです。
その当時の人類には文字はなかったと思われますが「伝承」という形で「伝説」となり
各地で受け継がれたと思ってみてもおかしくないと思います。

23 :10:04/12/05 09:15:50 ID:???
19世紀の終わり、カリフォルニアで
巨大な猿が開拓者の一団を恐慌に
陥れたという有名な話です。


1890 - The Chetco Monster - sometimes called the Chetco Indian
Devil

Location is about 60 miles North of Willow Creek, California
across the Cal-Oregon border.

"The mining operation was a small one, employing a dozen men
whose families lived in tents alongside the river. For several
weeks nothing unusual happened. Occasionally garbage cans were
overturned at night my marauding bears. Sometimes the beasts
were so troublesome that an armed guard stood by while the
loggers felled the big trees. At the campsite mothers watched
their young children closely and forbade older boys and girls
to play hide-and-seek in the forest. Even when they swam in
the shallow river, an adult kept a sharp lookout for bears."

"Then one morning enormously large human footprints were
discovered along the riverbanks. The loggers laughingly
accused one another of having feet as big as chopping blocks.
Everyone, from the oldest to the youngest in camp, measured
his footprints against those of the unknown visitor. Since no
one's feet were that large, one question was bandied about
repeatedly: if those weren't a bear's tracks, whose were
they?"


24 :10:04/12/05 09:17:19 ID:???
"Someone said there was a "wild" man living way up the river.
He was an irritable old devil who threatened to shoot anyone
who approached his cabin. No matter how bad the weather was
he
never wore a hat or boots. He was always bareheaded and
barefooted."

"Barefooted? Then the tracks were his! With the mystery of the
tracks happily solved, the people promptly forgot them. But
several nights later the sound of eerie whistling and angry
shrieks wakened them. In every tent men bounded out of bed and
grabbed their guns, assuming there was a wounded bear nearby.
No one lighted a lamp for fear of attracting the beast, and
frightened children were warned not to cry. The spine-chilling
noises went on and on. Sometimes they seemed close by, other
times from the direction of the road or the river. But finally
the sounds faded into the distance, and quiet returned to the
dark campsite. "At daybreak the men gathered to talk. They
debated whether it was a bear or mountain lion.

To satisfy themselves and ease their families' worries, a half
dozen men searched about for bear or mountain lion tracks.
They found no lion mountain spoor at all and no fresh bear
tracks. However, at the edge of the clearing, beyond the first
stand of trees and dense undergrowth they cam upon more of the
giant-sized human footprints. The men debated whether it was
the old recluse.


25 :10:04/12/05 09:19:16 ID:???
They agreed they had to catch the demented man before he
killed someone. So, as quietly as possible, the search party
backtracked along the line of footprints. These led them out
to the road several hundred yards above the camp and up the
road to the logging site. Here they found where the wild man
had emerged from the forest into the open area, and had
prowled around tree stumps, piles of bush, and the machinery
used in loading the logs onto wagons.

Then the men had a nasty shock. Massive unwieldy tree limbs,
far too heavy for one man to handle, had been pulled out of
the tangled waste piles, and either tossed aside like match
sticks or used to beat on the machinery. "The searchers
followed the tracks back down the road into the forest. For
the first time they noticed shrubs torn to pieces and saplings
uprooted and whacked to shreds. This explained the thudding
and snapping sounds heard during the night. The footprints
circled the camp, went down the well-beaten path to the river,
turned back to the road, went down it a half mile and turned
off into the forest. The men pressed on as far as they dared.
However, when the tracks plunged down into a steep ravine,
they stopped. The gloomy depths provided too many hiding
places for a demented killer.



26 :10:04/12/05 09:20:48 ID:???
"The Chetco Indians believed there were man-animals in the
woods, the logger informed his friends. He had heard the story
from a white man whom the Indians trusted enough to take into
their confidence. They claimed that for generations they had
shared their hunting grounds with fierce-looking hairy creatures
that walked upright like men. The strange beings were not
human, nor animal, neither friendly nor hostile. They were
simply there, like every other man or wild creature, so the
Indians left them alone.

"But very late on the third night the frightening sounds were
[once again] heard faintly from far off in the woods. People
jerked upright in bed. As the whistling and screaming grew
louder, in every tent men pulled on their trousers and boots,
and readied their guns. Obviously the night howler was coming
closer and closer. "When he seemed only fifty feet away, one
man took desperate action. Hastily fashioning a torch of oily
rags and kindling, he set fire to it. Torch in one hand and
rifle in the other, he raced into the woods.

"Meantime the man's wife called for help. Within minutes
several men stumbled toward her in the darkness. They groaned
when they learned that their comrade had gone into the woods
alone. None hesitated to follow, but minutes passed while one
dashed off to fetch a lantern and others supplied themselves
with extra cartridges. Finally the party headed into the forest
in the direction from which the awful sounds were heard. They
had covered only a short distance when the whistling and
shrieking stopped.


27 :10:04/12/05 09:22:26 ID:???
The men halted, and listened. There was a long silence, then
an outburst of bestial yowling followed by human screams.
Thinking their friend was being attacked; the men fought through
the undergrowth, the man with the lantern in the lead. Moments
later their comrade appeared, and collapsed in their arms. At
first he was too terrified to speak. His companions fired
their guns to drive off the howler, and then waited patiently
for the poor man to gasp out the details. He said that by
torchlight he had followed the line of giant-sized footprints
and suddenly came upon a huge creature covered with hair.

"A bear? " No, an ape! A monstrous ape, seven or eight feet
tall, two axe-handles wide across the shoulders, with beady
yellow eyes and bared teeth. The torchlight must have blinded
it because it stood stock-still, one hand shading its eyes.
Then it let out a tremendous roar. The man hurled his torch
into its face, but instead of shooting, he ran screaming
toward camp.

"While his companions did not doubt his word, they asked
anxiously if he was sure the beast was an ape. " Yes, he was
positive. "It really looked like an ape? "Yes. An ape. "Did it
have fangs? " You bet! "Claws? "The man said sarcastically
that he hadn't stayed around long enough to study the brute.
But after thinking it over, he said it had hands like a man,
only twice as large and covered with hair right down to the
fingernails.


28 :10:04/12/05 09:23:58 ID:???
"After that, all decided to return to camp. After much
discussion the loggers agreed to take turns standing guard day
and night until the ape was captured, or shot. Two men would
patrol the campsite on two-hour watches, while the rest worked
or slept. Since women present knew how to handle a gun, their
assistance during the daylight hours was welcomed. The older
boys and girls offered to gather firewood so that large fires
could be kept blazing all night. "Nothing unusual happened
during the day or the early night hours. But the two whose
turn came about two A.M. asked the men they were to relieve to
stand by. They wanted to slip into the woods and really search
for the ape. "Reluctantly the one patrol agreed to stand by
while their relief party set out on their ape hunt. The
hunters carried a small lantern because without some light
they could not follow any tracks. But they were careful to
keep the light at ground level. Their rifles were loaded, and
the safety catches thumbed back. Not long after, they came
upon bits of charred cloth amidst a welter of huge footprints.
This must be where their friend had thrown his torch at the
monster.

Yes, there were his boot marks. After examining the area
closely they found where the ape had turned deeper into the
forest, instead of backtracking to the road. They followed
gingerly, step by step, over and around ferns, shrubs,
outcroppings and rocks, and massive tree trunks.


29 :10:04/12/05 09:25:51 ID:???
"What happened next could only be guessed. Apparently the
apelike creature loomed before them. One man started shooting
while the other put down the lantern and shot, too. "The
patrol on guard at the campsite heard the volley of shots.
They pounded each other happily. The hunters had killed the
beast! But then they listened in mounting horror to frantic
cries for help, which were drowned out by horrendous shrieks
and roaring. The awful noises continued for some moments, and
then faded out. The silence was even more frightening to the
guards.

They shouted for help, and soon were surrounded by armed
loggers and their wives. After a hasty explanation, all the
men plunged into the woods, leaving the women to build up the
fires and protect the children. The searchers shouted, swung
lanterns, and fired their guns so that their friends would
know help was on the way. After advancing some distance, they
stopped briefly and called to the men. When neither responded,
they fired shots. No answering shots were heard. Once more the
party advanced. Before long they came upon a gruesome sight.
Their friends were dead.



30 :10:04/12/05 09:26:59 ID:???
Judging form bloodstains, their bodies had been slammed
against tree trunks and torn to pieces. A trail of blood-smeared
footprints led off into the forest. The beast obviously had
been wounded, but no man present was willing to track it
through the dark forest. Some did volunteer to gather up the
remains of their unfortunate comrades while others returned to
camp for blankets, and to break the sad news. "Within
twenty-four hours the campsite was deserted. The logging
operation was moved to another location. A professional hunter
with trained hounds was hired to assist hunters in tracking
down the savage beast. It was never captured, nor its voice
ever heard again. The most people could hope for was that it
had crawled into a well-hidden lair, and died."

© Marian Place, "On the Track of Bigfoot"


31 :だるも:04/12/05 15:22:15 ID:1AHoqvne
Thank you ベリーマッチョ
個人的な仮説で 昔は日本に(江戸時代くらい)は獣人はいたと
思います。一部では河童とか山姥や妖怪系で属されてなんらかの理由で絶滅した。
最後にはもう浦和レッズの人しか生き残ってないと思います。
海外では十二分にいる可能性がある土地や環境があって日本領土並みの未開の地が
沢山あります。ロッキー山脈やヒマラヤ山脈とかです。アマゾンにも未開の地域はたくさんあると聞きました。

期待大  すまん 言いたかったんだ


32 :名無虫さん:04/12/06 02:35:14 ID:ZaeQPGbc
>>22
ネアンデルタール人は人類の祖先ではなく亜種だと断定されたのは最近のことだからね。
実際、彼らは草食性が強い暮らしをしていたから、狩猟に長けた現世人類には太刀打ちできなかったとの説もある
彼らの存在が人類の伝承として残っていたかどうかはわからないが、案外、高山とかでは最近まで生き残っていたのがいたのでは。。
そんな可能性は否定できないな
実際にロシアに百年ほど前の記録にそれを思わせる話が残っていたはずだ。

33 :名無虫さん:04/12/06 15:54:36 ID:pJ7bRB/g
ネアンデルタール人に関してディスカバリーチャンネルで見た。
それによると、すでに狩猟した獣の皮を剥いで、衣服や靴を作っていた
文化レベルの高さだった。ちょっとワイルドな顔つき程度で背広着て
雑多な民族のいる地下鉄、NYとかだったら、なんら違和感がないレベルの
「ヒト」だったとのこと。
だから、イエティとかはそれ以前の大型類人猿のような気もする。
ヒマラヤに生きてたら、ちゃんと自分たちで作った防寒服を着ていると
思われる。

34 :名無虫さん:04/12/07 03:02:05 ID:lF4Hkxzb
最近の研究では、ゴリラやチンパンジーも驚くほど感情が豊かで、寂しいとか悲しいとの感情を理解していることがわかった
特にゴリラ何て、ペットの猫を渡せばかいがいしくかわいがったりしたそうだ。
そんなのだから、人類が多様な感情を持つのも、思ったより早かっただろう
ましてやネアンデル人は、死者を弔い、復活を祈って赤い土を被せる原始宗教的な儀式も行っていた。
それくらいだから脳の容量は現生人類より少なくとも、多分、彼らはちょっと知恵遅れの現生人類並の知能はあったのではないかな。

35 :名無虫さん:04/12/09 00:51:04 ID:WBvMSTAt
ダウソ症のガキぐらいの脳だったら、軽作業はしっかりできるからなぁ。


36 :名無虫さん:04/12/11 13:06:47 ID:???
今月のムーでヒバゴン取り上げているぞ。

37 :名無虫さん:04/12/11 13:15:56 ID:l2vW6aQR
ヒバゴンは伝えられているところから判断するとヒトやネアンデルタール人ではないなあ。
ゴリラとかのレベルのサルでしょう。
ヨーロッパ人もゴリラを始めて見たとき、あまりにもヒトに似ていたので
えらい驚いたらしいしね。


38 :名無虫さん:04/12/11 13:36:22 ID:l2vW6aQR
ギガントピテクスってことで

39 :名無虫さん:05/01/16 11:04:26 ID:???
age

40 :名無虫さん:05/01/16 14:11:51 ID:an++kQ6R
http://www.google.co.jp/search?sourceid=navclient-menuext&ie=UTF-8&q=%E3%82%AE%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%88%E3%83%94%E3%83%86%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9

41 :名無虫さん:05/02/02 21:52:10 ID:LJ8993GU
あっ!

42 : :05/02/05 02:38:07 ID:Jwf5Eyj8
http://www.yetisports.jp/play.html

これ面白いよ

43 :名無虫さん:05/02/11 22:55:53 ID:sh+oAouB
あげとくか

44 :名無虫さん:05/02/17 20:38:34 ID:SyF7j7e/
http://www.bigfootforums.com/uploads//post-1-1108444954.jpg

こんなのがありました。

45 :名無虫さん:05/02/18 00:44:47 ID:HmbTm+Cq
ここおもしろい
http://kyoto.cool.ne.jp/666_monster/world/073/index.htm


46 :名無虫さん:05/03/05 23:10:55 ID:5QH8LEkY
チンパンジーに襲われ男性が重傷を負う。

http://www.kfmb.com/stories/story.6730.html

47 :名無虫さん:2005/03/21(月) 22:01:37 ID:Rh92PhhG
あげ

48 :名無虫さん:2005/05/02(月) 22:33:08 ID:Y9eTc0xg
保守

49 :名無虫さん:2005/05/29(日) 20:37:37 ID:moC2LpEd
あ〜げ〜

50 :名無虫さん:2005/05/31(火) 02:35:49 ID:b/11YUcN
ヒバゴン
ttp://bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/parts/image_for_link/9133-3845-1-1.html


51 :名無虫さん:2005/06/19(日) 15:49:19 ID:FkB6WCrK
チュパカブラ>グレイ>ジャージーデビル>ドーバーデーモン>ヒツジ男>
トカゲ男>A.B,C(エイリアンビッグキャット)>ヒバゴン

52 :名無虫さん:2005/06/19(日) 16:56:12 ID:2saQv3lW
ヒナゴンは町の宝じゃ!

53 :名無虫さん:2005/07/18(月) 23:55:30 ID:kQOIG9j2
age

54 : ◆M1oUShM8xw :2005/07/20(水) 06:23:37 ID:???
ゴンゴン

55 :名無虫さん:2005/08/02(火) 05:05:21 ID:mfZrhfGd
あげ

56 :確定:2005/08/02(火) 14:51:27 ID:Di12miSK
ギガントピテクスってことで

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